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有关今日头条''我在新疆养狼''直播内容。
与英国UKWCT志愿者的交流。
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来自Android客户端1楼2019-09-07 23:52回复
    标题吓得我以为是新疆养殖场的来了


    IP属地:江苏来自Android客户端2楼2019-09-08 01:36
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      先码个
      出名到国外了嘛


      IP属地:中国香港来自Android客户端3楼2019-09-08 08:26
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        这个阅读量...告辞告辞


        IP属地:福建来自Android客户端4楼2019-09-08 10:25
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          有请翻译上场


          IP属地:广西来自Android客户端6楼2019-09-09 12:00
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            噶西多。。。
            告辞,下一位


            来自Android客户端7楼2019-09-09 16:21
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              大概意思就是先说了一下野化放归需要保持狼对人的警觉性,不然放了之后还会回来找人,吓到人还容易被打死…
              然后是野狼谷乐乐最近性情大变的原因,回信觉得是狼到了两岁之后,天性会促使他们要么提升自己在狼群的地位,要么选择离开狼群独闯。但是在圈养条件下乐乐没法离开,他知道自己是多余的所以越来越害怕,觉得每次溜完圈回去就意味着要被攻击。回信里给出的解决方法是把乐乐单独放进一个圈里去养,别再让他和旧狼群接触,另外这个圈里可以放进来几只和他关系好的狼。后面举了几个例子,最后强调了一下这种繁育中心狼圈的面积要大,数量也要多
              大概就这样,有空的话我试试翻译一下


              IP属地:北京来自Android客户端9楼2019-09-10 18:35
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                Darren:
                In America or the UK, “Le Le” would have been moved to an enclosure by himself, or perhaps put in with another wolf whom he got on with. This would likely be for quite some time, with staff monitoring both his reactions and those of the other wolves. Note that once a wolf has been removed from a pack, it’s quite normal for them never to go back – if you go to Wolf Park or Wolf Haven in America, you will see numerous enclosures with just one, two or three wolves in them.
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                Darren:
                在美国或英国,''乐乐''可能会自己搬到一个围栏里,或是和另一只狼住在一起.这可能会持续相当长的一段时间,工作人员会同时监控他的反应和其他同居狼的反应。请注意:一旦一只狼从一个群体中被移除,它就不会再回去了,这是很正常的——如果你去了美国的狼公园,你会看到无数的围场,里面只有一只,两只或三只狼.
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                Darren:
                Here’s what I think is happening – again, it’s my view and not anything official.
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                At 2 years old, a wolf is becoming adult. Their instinct is to rise up through the ranks, or to disperse to start a new pack.
                In the wild “Le Le” would have probably run away, fled the pack. As he can’t do that in captivity, he’s become fearful as he knows he’s outnumbered – and he associates going back after a walk with being hurt or attacked, so it’s a bad thing for him.
                The best way I would say you could get his confidence back would be to move him to an adjacent pen or enclosure, if one’s available, with a female wolf or other wolves that he does get on with. (Wolves generally need company and there are usually fewer disagreements between a male and female, as opposed to two males, or two females).
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                Darren:
                这是我认为正在发生的事情——再声明一下,这是我的看法,而不是任何官方的观点.
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                2岁的时候,一只狼已经长大了.他们的本能是从队伍中地位变高,或者离开狼群,开始建立一个新的团队.在野外,''乐乐''很可能会逃跑,逃离人群.因为他在狼圈中做不到这一点,他会变得害怕,因为他知道自己被排除了——而且他在散步后会被伤害或攻击,所以这对他来说是件坏事.我要说的是,你能让他恢复自信的最好办法就是把他带到附近的围栏或围栏里,如果有的话,可以和一只母狼或其他狼在一起.(狼通常需要同伴,一般来说男性和女性之间很少有分歧,而不是两个男性或两个女性)。
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                来自Android客户端14楼2019-09-15 21:52
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                  Darren:
                  You would then keep an eye on him and especially the reaction of the wolves of his former pack – it may be that you can spot which particular wolf/wolves he’s having a disagreement with, as it probably won’t be all of them.
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                  Darren:
                  这之后,你要密切关注他,尤其是他以前那群狼的反应——你可能会发现他与哪只狼有分歧,因为这可能不是所有的狼。
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                  Darren:
                  At the UKWCT, we used to have three wolves in one pack: Mosi, Mai and Torak. Mosi and Mai started getting aggressive towards each other (they were competing for Torak, the male) and we ended up having to split them up – which left Mai on her own. We acquired Motomo, another male wolf, for her to keep her company and luckily they got on well together. Mosi and Mai can never go back together as they despise each other – walking one on a lead past the other (in her enclosure) ends up with growling, tails and hackles up.
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                  Darren:
                  在UKWCT,我们曾经有三只狼在一组:Mosi,Mai和Torak.
                  Mosi和Mai开始互相攻击(他们在竞争Torak,男性),最后我们不得不分开他们-让Mai自己分离出来.我们接受了另一只雄性狼Motomo,让她继续陪伴,幸运的是他们相处得很好.Mosi和Mai再也不能一起了,因为他们互相鄙视—— 牵着一只狼从一条路走过,另一只狼(在她的围栏里)的反应是咆哮,抬起尾巴和炸毛.
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                  Darren:
                  Further back we had another pack with three wolves: Alba (a male) and his two sisters, Lunca and Latea. The sisters also showed aggression as they matured (competing for Alba), but we had them spayed and that calmed them down a lot.
                  I don’t know how many enclosures you have, or what size they are, but from what you’ve said you’ve put him in a room – that won’t be helping “Le Le”’s confidence either, as he’ll feel hemmed-in.
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                  Darren:
                  在这之前,我们又有一队三只狼:Alba(雄性)和他的两个姐妹,Lunca和Latea。姐妹们在成熟时也表现出了侵略性(为了竞争Alba),但我们让她们做了绝育手术,这让她们安静了很多。
                  我不知道你有多少个围栏,或者它们有多大,但是根据你所说的,你已经把乐乐放在一个房间里了——这也不会有助于“乐乐”的信心,因为他会觉得自己被困住了。
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                  来自Android客户端15楼2019-09-15 21:53
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                    Darren:
                    For reference, I’ve attached an aerial view of the UKWCT, as I don’t know whether you can access satellite imagery from China. This is a pretty typical layout for a European wolf centre, the American ones tend to have somewhat smaller enclosures.
                    You can see the “holding areas”, which are the smaller grassy parts of the enclosures. There are also the kennels, which are alongside the holding areas. In the event of a seriously ill wolf, we can keep them in the kennels until they recover – they have plenty of straw in there for sleeping on, as well as an outdoor “run” to get some fresh air.
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                    Darren:
                    作为参考,我附上了UKWCT的鸟瞰图,因为我不知道你是否可以从中国获取卫星图像。这是一个相当典型的欧洲狼中心布局,美国的狼中心往往有一些较小的围栏。你可以看到“隔离区”-围栏中较小的草状部分。
                    还有犬舍,它们在等待区的旁边。如果是一只病得很重的狼,我们可以把它们关在犬舍里,直到它们康复为止——犬舍里面有大量的稻草可供睡觉,还有一个户外“奔跑”场所.以获得新鲜空气。
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                    Darren:
                    You can see the kennels from the ground in the attached screenshots – the green doors on the right lead to the enclosed kennels and there are trapdoors which can be raised and lowered to let the wolves in and out (without you having to go inside to open doors).
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                    (Can you see 四零四 videos? If you can, I can send the link over).
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                    I hope that gives you a few ideas, anyway… please let me know what you think!
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                    Darren:
                    你可以在所附的截图中看到犬舍——右边的绿色门通向封闭的犬舍,还有可以升降的活板门,让狼进出(你不必进去开门)。
                    (你能看404视频吗?如果可以,我可以发送链接)
                    我希望这能给你一些提示,不管怎样……请告诉我你的想法!
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                    Darren

                    至此翻译全部完成


                    来自手机贴吧16楼2019-09-15 22:15
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                      国内的养狼机构竟然还需要业余爱好者指导,不忍直视,估计在他们眼中把狼堆成群就算养狼了


                      来自手机贴吧18楼2019-10-08 12:01
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                        一直很想问了,狼群里狼不是基本上都有血缘关系吗,那狼群里竞争交配权不就是。。。乱伦???成员抢夺了狼王的配偶不就是母子。。。了吗,棒打我爹迎娶我娘????


                        IP属地:上海19楼2020-02-27 21:46
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                          说到这个,前些天淘给我推廌了云养新疆狼,於是突然在想
                          我所知的国外养狼有募捐项目的机构,要麽是收容所,收容被遗弃宠物顺带教育群众的
                          要麽是研究机构,有专家驻场并发表过研究成果的
                          那这个云养狼,有什麽值得募捐的地方吗?这个机构的存在与否,对社会和野生狼有什麽帮助呢


                          IP属地:中国香港来自Android客户端20楼2020-08-28 09:49
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                            标题吓人,还以为是养殖场


                            IP属地:江苏来自iPhone客户端21楼2023-05-29 06:07
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